With the Main Commander of All-Ukrainian Unit "Tryzub" named for S.Bandera Colonel Dmitry Jarosh.
Q: Last early election in the Supreme Rada, apparently, stopped the processes of the Moscow revenge in the Ukraine, which were carried out actively by the Janukovich anti-Ukrainian government. The Decrees of President Jushchenko about assignment of a rank of the Hero to general - khorunzhy Roman Shuhevych, celebration of Holodomor anniversaries, the statements about probable discommunization also give hope that the Ukrainian question eventually becomes key and decisive for authority. The friend the Commander, how can you characterize a political situation existing today in the state? Is "Tryzub" idealogema about "internal occupation regime" actual now?
DJ: AU "Tryzub" named for S.Bandera actively participated in all the processes happened in Ukraine in 2007. Therefore, we were not extraneous observers, the objects of that political life which was raging around, but its subjects. So, we could see from within who was worthy of what in the Ukrainian politics.
Yes, really the revenge of the pro-Moscow forces is suspended, but, first, obviously not for ever, second, the present authority demonstrated their absolute impossibility to keep a situation under the control not for once and, especially, to lead the Ukrainians to freedom, validity and well-being. I am convinced, that this time their struggle for "trough", lacking principles and ideas, under covering of false social slogans, will lead to the general disappointment among those people which have given them their voices .And it will throw the Ukraine in whirlpool of tests once again.
I emphasize one more time: only the struggle under the banner of the Ukrainian national idea can embody the eternal dream of the Ukrainian people to become a real owner of their destiny and land, instead of multi-coloured polico-businessmen. All another from crafty! It is the first aspect.
The second aspect. The President Jushchenko is still the patriot of his land. I do not think that he admires to please to those people which declare their right to manipulate him. At the same time, unfortunately, Victor Andrijovich has never been and hardly ever becomes the real Ukrainian nationalist. And it is impossible to refer him to a caste of "courageous, wise and noble" people (D.Dontsov) - it is enough to recollect sequence of his actions on the supreme state post. How are we disposed towards the mister President now? As well as in 2005. We realize it perfectly, that he is only an executive director of neo-colonial formation which, as a patriot, tries at his most to make good to his people (hence the above mentioned decrees and applications), but he is not everything allowed. And all positive that he does for the Ukrainians is a result of growing, contrary to a politics of authority, national consciousness and public activity of the Ukrainians.
We supported and we shall support any actions of the President which are useful for the nation, we acted and we shall consistently oppose his actions which contradict interests of the nation. The ideology of the Ukrainian nationalism serves as a matrix for us in an estimation of these or those acts of any person which is at authority now.
And some words about "internal occupation regime". It is not only idealogema, this is a real condition of existing things in our Fatherland. It is enough to look trough the national structure of the Supreme Rada, the Government, the Presidents secretariat to declare unequivocally: the Ukrainians are the screen for strangers which occupied all key posts in structures of authority. And it is not important which fraction of the Supreme Rada to take as an example - the Ukrainians there are always manipulated by people with non-Ukrainian way of thinking.
For this reason the Ukrainian artists declared the Ukraine to be „ a zone of cultural disaster" at the end of the last year. For this reason russification keeps going with seven-league steps. For this reason the information space brings up people without Fatherland and degenerates (it is enough to look "entertaining" programs and cartoon films for children on TV to be convinced of the truth of these words). Internal occupation of the Ukrainian nation is real. It is present not only at the corridors of authority, but also in kindergartens, schools, technical schools, high schools, at the enterprises, in mass-media, in streets of cities and villages.
And to disorient any nation, and first of all its active part, puppeteers allow to appropriate high state ranks to those who heroically was at war... in the obvious image not for such Ukraine which is today; therefore Holodomor is celebrated more and more seriously with each year, therefore the official status of the Ukrainian language exists meanwhile, and it is not excluded at all, that the fighters for freedom of the Ukraine will receive the official status, - it is necessary to throw some leavings to natives from a domonical table. And we are pleased!..
Besides it is necessary to realize that the world has strongly changed for last decades. And not only Moscow makes pretension to our souls and our land now. World predators under the guise of transnational corporations and the various cosmopolitan centers are doing uncommon attempts to change the Ukraine into a territory without the Ukrainians... It is shown, again, in liberal information policy; in cultivating of sodomy and other various perversions; in liberalization of Church; in so-called postmodernist deviations in the literature and art; in provoking an unlimited migratory policy and so on..
Therefore, I emphasize once again, internal occupation exists! And so that to liquidate it and to receive what we have the right on - the Ukrainian national statehood - it is necessary to put many forces and energy.
Q: As far as I remember, friend Dmytre, last year in February you initiated the next stage of the unifying process in the nationalist environment with your open letter. Almost a year has passed... Are there any successes on this "field"?
DJ: The criteria of an estimation of successes or failures in this process can be different. I think, that our predecessors from ÎUN under Eugeny Konovalets's conduct would tell, estimating it: „ it burns like wet". Also I do not exclude, that organizational sanctions for such slow actions could be sharp enough.
Nevertheless, we managed to reach a significant progress, if to speak, proceeding from the positions existing in the nationalist environment in the beginning of 21th century. The first real achievement is working out of a model of an original nationalist confederation which is consist of the Organization of the Ukrainian Nationalists and AU "Tryzub" named for S.Bandera.
A lot of common meetings, councils, actions of politico-propagandizing and nation-protective character took a place in 2007, during which we, first, have overcome negative historical stereotypes (for example: "meljnykivtsi" and "banderivtsi" will never achieve unity); secondly, we were convinced that the ideological factor is the most real uniting factor; thirdly, not in words but in practice we connected personnel, information, technical resources of our structures, which resulted in increasing forces of the Ukrainian nationalists. And, notice, all this was made without loud statements, press conferences and lamentations for uniting.
I should note in this context a strategic role of the Head of the ÎUN Mykola Plavjuk. If it were not for his consecutive, weighed, and at the same time revolutionary position, we would hardly come today to the fact, that the members of the ÎUN become members of "Tryzub" when consider it necessary and on the contrary; that the Main commander of "Tryzub" becomes the adviser of the Head of the ÎUN, that practically all the actions of our organizations are coordinated. Such cooperation opens the potentials of people and of the organizations. We can estimate now each other not from a position of told, but from a position of made. Thus each structure occupies its own niche in the common struggle, and each member of these structures can realize his intentions and potential according to his character and psychological qualities inherent to him.
Also we positively develop the relations between AU "Tryzub" and the UNA-UNSO. A number of meetings of our associations^ representatives took place in December, 2007. They were concerned to the approach of ideological, conceptual, political-programming and organizational positions. I think that in the near future, in January - February, we will have an opportunity to develop our relations with this organization to a level of relations which exist at us with the ÎUN.
Nowadays we develop contacts on high levels with the Organization of the Ukrainian Nationalists (revolutionary), the Youth Nationalist Congress, the Ukrainian Party, the Ukrainian Republican Party and so on. We hope on the establishing normal nationalist relations with the All-Ukrainian youth organization "The National Alliance" - there are certain shifts in this sphere too.
On my belief, 2008 becomes a year when the Ukrainian nationalists will come closely to restoration of unity and efficiency of the nationalist movement. During this year we must pass those levels of unifying process on which necessity the well-known Conductor of "Tryzub" Colonel Vasyl Ivanyshyn emphasized, namely: ideological, program, political, organizational and personal levels. Only then the Ukrainian nationalists will prepare the base for organic, instead of formal - mechanical association of all the structures under the banner of the Ukrainian nationalism.
The carrying out of the second Congress of the Ukrainian nationalists in the beginning of 2009 will be the best honouring of the memory of our predecessors in the struggle for statehood and freedom of the nations. On this Congress the Provid of the Ukrainian nationalists will be created, common ideological - world outlook, conceptual, program documents will be accepted, internal - organizational postulates and principles will be fixed. Such Congress has all the chances to become the outset of a new era of nationalism in the Ukraine. And there is a great need of it...
The main thing is to realize one incontestable true: "In national-liberation struggle either everyone wins, or all together lose too!" (V.Ivanyshyn).
Q: You have mentioned the world here... And does the International Anti-imperial Front operate now? And what are the relations with the struggling Caucasus, national-liberation movements of other peoples now?
DJ: The international Anti-imperial Front has been created on May, 8, last year, just in the day of the death of the Conductor Vasylj Ivanyshyn. Moreover, this international organization is, actually, his child. It is clearly, that all his plans cannot be completely realized now. It is impossible to substitute the genius... But the struggle demands from us, nationalists, carrying it out on all the fronts - including anti-imperial one. Proceeding from this, we carry out different informative and political-propaganda actions of such character regularly.
Besides we have managed to expand the contacts of IAiF, and we participate already in the dialogue with the Lithuanian nationalists today, have contacts with the Latvians and the Estonians. Baltic peoples are real strategic ally of the Ukrainians. And for this reason IAiF stimulates its activity as much as possible on this geopolitical axis. I think, that very soon, in some months, we shall be able to tell about concrete results of such cooperation.
The Caucasus is a separate theme... As you know, our Anti-imperial Front has been founded by two structures - they are: the Movement for decolonization of the Caucasus and AU "Tryzub" - a unique example, by the way, you can not meet frequently the facts when the Moslems and the Christians resist to devilish imperialism in one formation. We actively cooperate in the information sphere and we plan the certain work for the future. Unfortunately, the main barrier on a way of activating of our common struggle is, as always, lack of material resources. But we shall solve gradually this problem too.
Q: And has anything changed in your relations after the proclamation the Caucasus Emirate by the president Dokka Umarov?
DJ: Neither we, nor the Ukrainian nationalists, our allies in anti-imperial struggle, are naive children who do not understand realities of life. The Chechen people conduct the armed struggle against the Moscow imperial monster since 1994. Losses in people of this not numerous, but courageous nation horrify.
The people who struggle for their national and social liberation against the invaders and the politics of genocide has the right to use any methods of self-defense. And the Chechen people (not those Chechens which associate in consciousness of the Ukrainian-inhabitant with criminal, but those who assert freedom and independence with the weapon in hands for 13 years) conduct such struggle by all the methods accessible to them. Not only military, but also political methods are used. One of them is a declaration of the Caucasus Emirate.
It is possible to agree and not to agree with correctness of this step. But I am convinced that it is unethical for us - people, which are now in heat, silence, relative safety at least - to interfere in these affairs. If Mujahideen of different Caucasian republics have decided to coordinate their actions let the God would help them in it.
The only thing I would like to emphasize on is that no one should ever try to transform above mentioned Emirate in such a Caucasian mini-empire. Also using an opportunity I want to wish Amir of Caucasian Mujahideen mister Umarov and his sworn brothers to reduce maximum quantity of old enemies and not to breed new ones.
People of the Book - the Christians and the Moslems - can always find common language because our deep values are very similar. The main thing is not to be exposed to the suggestions of those who, declaring themselves more sacred then all the sainted, pits our two - on the one hand different, and on the another - such similar worlds. The belief in the uniform God, performance of Precepts, understanding of Good and general struggle against evil, respect to each other is that base which the future of mankind can be constructed on. We know it, that not all those people who pray to Allah for show are the Moslems. We realize also and we are constantly becoming convinced in, that not all those people imposing a sign of the Cross so sacred for us on themselves are the Christians.
If we shall keep on this way then we have all chances of strengthening of the anti-imperial movement so common for the Christians and the Moslems and, at last, on a victory of the Good over the Evil. It is our position.
Q: Let's come back to Ukrainian problems. Now there is a very actual problem of illegal migration of the representatives of Asia and Africa to the Ukraine. How do the Ukrainian nationalists concern to this problem?
DJ: This problem is not new for the Ukraine. The migration through the territory of our Fatherland lasts thousand years already. And it is not surprising, because the Ukraine is situated „ on the verge of two worlds" - Europe and Asia. The attitude to this question, as well as to all the other problems which threaten the existence of the nation, should be first of all nationalistic. I emphasize the nationalistic, instead of national socialist, communistic, social-nationalist, liberal and so on.
First, it is necessary to realize, that illegal migration, or migration on the whole is a result of a purposeful anti-Ukrainian policy of the forces inimical to the Ukraine. It is consecutive and systematic. It also acts with the purpose of substitution of the native radical ethnos by the representatives of different peoples in Ukrainian land.
We, the Ukrainians, perfectly remember, that the occupational Soviet authority, subjecting to Holodomor and repression, taking out ten millions of our compatriots to Siberia and Kazakhstan, delivered hundreds of thousands of strangers in our land, first of all of Russian nationality. We can feel the results of such genocide now too. It is far from being that all the citizens of the Ukraine have shown and manifest the respect for the Ukrainian nation now, for its culture, for the right of the Ukrainians to have their own national state.
Somewhat similar situation develops now. In place of millions of Ukrainians which go abroad for earnings in search of better destiny, and to be more exact, they are squeezed artificially out of their Native land, come in hundreds of thousands of Africans and Asians - the same migrants, as well as the previous "brothers-Russians", only with the skin of other colours and again with the different attitude to the Ukrainians and their statehood. (And does it really matter of what colour of the skin the invader is? Does he become better or worse because of this?)
By the way, notice, that the basic stream of migrants goes through the territory of our eternal enemy - the Moscow Empire. And just in no time the Kremlin with the help of the special services creates a great number of extremely radical youth groupings with (as if) national colouring which define a migratory problem as a main for the Ukrainian youth and a politics.
It seems everything is correct: "the older Russian brother" "worries" about the "younger" one. By this care they deceive thousands of patriotically adjusted guys which openheartedly start to solve a problem of migration in their own way, forgetting, that the main struggle for the Ukrainians is the struggle for their national statehood. And that it is possible to stop the streams of the Vietnamese, the Koreans, the Chinese, the Nigerians, the Uzbeks, etc. by only means - construction of the Ukrainian Independent Indivisible State.
And what should we do today, when migrants become impudent? They rape girls, distribute drugs, master business, create powerful mafia groupings and the whole monoethnic areas, etc. The probable answer is the next: to press on the present authority and to create such nationalist structures which could really resist this expansion under the banner of the Ukrainian national idea.
For example, it is impossible to solve the problem with legalization of these strangers without participation of local corrupt officials and militiamen. Therefore, to suspend or to make impossible this, by the way, very profitable criminal business, it is necessary to reveal those who are really guilty of this problem. And then... There are very many methods of national protection. Further let the imagination works. So, the guys will be steeled too, and the affair will be really advanced. By the way - it is here, that our again appointed governmental power can prove and show themselves!
The second example. The local authorities indulging to this anti-Ukrainian politics can be replaced during elections at the active system work of the Ukrainian nationalists. If it still manages to hold its ground by falsifications, then it will be possible to change it using revolutionary methods.
But still it is much more difficult to do, than to drive in hungry Vietnamese into hothouses. You do not need a lot of mind there: hit in teethe, shout "Death to enemies!" - and you are already the hero. But to take the way of the underground fighters of the OUN or the insurgents of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army - is "not allowed".
Therefore, I repeat, it is possible to solve a problem of migration completely, only having received the State of the Ukrainian nation by the national-liberation revolution. Any other formulas are the diligence to deceive the Ukrainians with enemy ideologies, enemy policy, and the enemy leaders.
Q: One more question concerning the Crimean problem. Are there any plans at "Tryzub" concerning its decision?
DJ: The national-liberation struggle is comprehensive that is why the Ukrainian nationalists cannot work unsystematically. Certainly, our Organization always tried to pay attention to the Crimea as eternal part of the Ukrainian land. I emphasize on it, that Crimea is the integral component of the Ukraine!
It is so happened, that there appeared the Greeks, the Bulgarians, and representatives of other tribes and peoples in the Ukrainian Crimea. In the middle ages the peninsula was won by Tatars who then began to refer to Crimean. In the 40th years of the 20-th century the Crimea was artificially populated with migrants from Russia by the Soviet occupational regime. So, this real pearl of our Motherland has received multinational structure, but has not ceased to be Ukrainian because of that.
We, nationalists, concern with understanding to those problems which have faced the Crimean Tatars, as the situation has developed so, that these people have no other land in the world except for the Crimea which they could name the Fatherland. For this reason the Colonel Vasylj Ivanyshyn has developed the concept of the decision of the Crimean problem which he has named "The Crimean unit". There have been made specific proposals concerning an exit from that negative situation which has developed there. (It is possible to familiarize with them on site "Áàíäåð³âåöü").
But we constantly trace the processes occurring there and try to influence them by corresponding actions, meetings with the representatives the Ukrainian and the Crimean-Tatar communities, information and propaganda work. For many years successively the Bandera's marching groups take part in summer actions which are organized by the Crimean-Tatarian youth center. The regular trips of the groups of foremen of the Organization take place for gathering the information and performance of other tasks. There were cases when our divisions helped the Ukrainian businessmen to solve the certain problems which arose at them with Moscow criminal on peninsula. In other words, serious enough and active work goes on...
Last year in December I also carried out working trip to the Crimea with the group of foremen. During this trip we organized some meetings with the Ukrainians, the Crimean Tatars, representatives of authority and so on. The conclusions of this trip were unfavourable. There was such an impression that in the Crimea there worked actively and systematically some influential global factors.
First, certainly it is Russia. Their interests are submitted at a level of a political life, business questions, information space, "Moscow Orthodoxy". The powerful factor is the occupational Black Sea fleet and special services. The Crimean ground is illegally bought up by the Moscow capital in the huge sizes. Self-capture of the grounds by the Crimean Tatars is just children's toys in comparison with actions of the Russians. Russia behaves impudently and aggressively. Its main ideological postulates are the restoration of the scale Moscow empire and returning of Crimea "in its bosom".
Turkey also shows its activity on the peninsula. Their special services carry out not only intelligence but also other work through the Crimean-Tatarian Muftiate and their political structures on the territory of our southern neighbour. For example, the whole ethnic Turkish areas have already appeared in Simferopol. The ideological postulate of Turkish groups of influence is the revival of the Ottoman Empire and protection of an Islam.
The third factor which can become very dangerous to Ukraine soon, is Arabian. There are already the whole settlements of the Crimean Tatars which belong religiously to different Arabic-Islamic directions, and also the whole areas of Simferopol become Arabian. Arabian work is conducted from the precise ideological bases of creation of the world Islamic Caliphate, certainly, under the direction of Arabs.
Moreover, some not so powerful at present factors as they were mentioned above show their activity too. But it is not surprising, because any state has its own geopolitical interests, and all the more have the empires. Another is surprising (and it is not surprising!): the Kiev authority has absolutely abstracted from the Crimean problems. The Crimean Ukrainians are left to the mercy of fate. I have such an impression, that these questions are simply not interesting to the President and the government.
It is in vain to expect, that the regime of internal occupation will solve the problems of the Ukrainians both in the Crimea, and in other regions of the state. Only incorporated by national idea people is capable to solve them. And nobody else.
So let the Ukrainian national-liberation revolution lives!
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