"Bander³vets'": On what stage is the fight of Chechen people against the Moscow aggressors today? Which, in your sight, the prospects for this fight?
Dokka Umarov: In the name of Allah, Most Merciful, Most Compassionate!
First, using the case, I would want to send best wishes to the Ukrainian people, which today survives the complex period of they history, and which, (although not at this degree as in Chechnya) pressure from the side of Kremlin regime is experienced.
As for the situation at home, also, in the North Caucasus as a whole is concerned, in spite of the assertions of Putin and his marionettes in Chechnya, war continues. Information blockade can create temporary illusion in those, who want to believe in the lie of Moscow about the fact that the war ended, but it can't change the real state of the matters.
Again I declare, that the war continues.
The loss in the summer of 2006 of two our chief leaders - President Abdul-Khalim Sadulayev and vice president Shamil Basayev, of course, influenced rate and nature of the planned military operations. Furthermore, last year autumn we made the decision to change our tactics, in the correspondence with which changed the approaches to the actions of our forces in the cities and the rural regions. Figuratively speaking, we reorganize our battle formations in the correspondence with the new tactics of waging of war in this stage. Autumn and winter left to the great preparatory work. The large problem for us is the accretion of young people, which desires to participate in the Jihad. We cannot provide all those desiring with weapon, but in every way possible we try to solve this problem.
Planned combat operations in all this time weren't ended not on one day. In media falls the information not more than about 5-10% of those combat operations, which each day are carried out by our subdivisions, especially in the mountain regions.
For us, that are located on the foremost of front, the prospect for this war is seen by clear and well-defined. We don't doubt the success and the inevitable defeat of the Russian Empire, which, in the final analysis, compulsorily will lead to the expulsion of occupiers from the Caucasus. This for those, who watch putin TV and listens to the Kadyrov's fables, situation is represented in other sight. But this is their problems, which do not relate to us.
Everything is good in its season. We don't hurry anywhere. For believing muslim Jihad is a blessing from Allah, anyone can't succeeds himself in it participating. This right must be deserved.
How you can explain the fact that the noticeable part of the participants in the first war, and even leaders did pass to the side of enemy?
We are Muslims and any event or action apprehend from the position of Islam. The Most High warns us in the Quran that will compulsorily reveal intentions, purposes and tendencies of each, who calls itself muslim. No one remains untested. Therefore Jihad appears blessing from Allah. Jihad determine, who is who. War revealed those, who were insincere, weak, he pursued purposes distant from Islam and independence of Chechen state or it was simply supergrass and the agent of enemy. The first war was only preparation for the second.
At the same time I want to refute popular opinion about the fact that allegedly a large quantity of participants in the first war turned to the side of enemy. I will name numbers for you.
In the assault of Chechen capital on 6 August, 1996, 850 mujahideen participated. When 3 days passed and it became clear that we do not intend to leave from the city, the forces of the "militiamen" and "volunteers" began to appear. Up to the moment of the known ultimatum of General Pulikovskiy in the city there were already 3 thousand armed people. After ultimatum remained again 850 mujahideen.
After cessation and the conclusions of truce in Khasavyurte, armed forces began to appear as fungi after rain. Since the beginning of the second war these forces, whose majority, as it was explained more lately, financed and they were created by FSB, they scattered or "turned" to the side of Russians.
Clear example - lie around Kadyrov father and son. Russian propaganda everywhere writes that they fought on the side of the mujahideen against russian troops in 1994-96 years. But this is lie.
Neither father nor son made nor one shot to russians side. Akhmad Kadyrov (secret service nickname FSB "Adam") is supergrass and regular agent KGB - FSB even from the Soviet times, entire war sat through together with sons in the village of Hosi- yourt. He's were activated by assignment FSB, when Lebed appeared. Thus far one time he's appeared in the village Oyskhar (Novogrozniy) after Raduev march into Kizlyar, where it participated in the press conference. He's son Ramzan Kadyrov all this time was the chauffeur of his father. Here is entire "battle road" of these supergrasses.
Magomed Khanbiyev participated in the operation's of the first war and a little in the second (ex-minister of defence CRI), which however, found for himself justification for surrendering to enemy. He's and several men from he's environment from relatives was surrendered.
Imitated its participation in the first war Sulim Yamadayev (large part of the war he's sat through on the oil well in Benoy), which, as it seemed, was the same supergrass as Kadyrov, and after war by assignment FSB together with Kadyrov were occupied by hostage taking.
There are, of course, and those, who actually participated in the first war and then passed to the side of enemy. There are those, who participated in the beginning of the second war, and also passed to the side of enemy. But I assure you, such people number is very small.
Those thousands of supergrasses, which today serve enemy, this is the mass of the traitors and renegads, which has any nation, they get out from slots with the arrival of russian troops and haven't relation to real participants in the war.
But this is the natural process of sifting and selection. Only most steadfast, most sincere and most devoted, those, bear present heaviest war on their arms, who come to Jihad not for the mundane goods, but for Allah, who awaits contentment only from Allah, and on whom don't act any human reprimand, enemy threats, and intimidation by death. This is our gold reserves and precisely these people are today the authentic defenders of their native land, their people and their state.
How you do evaluate the prospects for the development of nation liberation fight in the territory of the adjacent republics of the North Caucasus, and what factor will be deciding - national or religious?
Russia in every possible way attempted to limit war by the framework of Chechen territory. Even they devised term - "chechenizatsiya". However, the war has its rules, and Most High has its plan, different from Moscow. Today Jihad was extended practically throughout the entire territory of the North Caucasus. Caucasian Front is created, its subdivisions act into the correspondence with the plan of combat operations and under the general military management.
Russia wanted to use Dagestan events of 1999 for the division and hostilities boundary by the peoples of North Caucasus, but precisely Dagestan mujahideen supported Jihad in Chechnya by some of first, thus after showing the insolvency of the nationalism card, which russian special services wanted to use and attempt to use, until now.
I will recall that the peoples of North Caucasus have an experience of joint state. During the times of Sheich Mansur, Imam Shamil, and Mountain republic, and North-Caucasian Emirate of Sheich Uzun-Hadji.
The basis of this association was always Islam, and in the case with Mountain republic - idea of all Caucasus unity and decolonization. Therefore Caucasian nations are experienced in basis for the association in the fight for the releases from the colonial occupation of Russia.
Disintegration of the"prison of the nations" the Russian Empire, possibly, a question of near future. What states, in your opinion, can be formed in the territory of the former empire, are such they must be the relations of the freed peoples with the Ukraine?
Analyzing situation in the world and those processes, which today occur with such swift rapidity, which earlier was impossible, you come to the conclusion that the changes are inevitable. Moreover, change on a global scale. Peace became other, came the time of instability and new repartition.
Into what parts the Russian Empire will be decomposed it is possible only to assume, because in this process many factors will be begun to operate.
At the same time, less anything it would be desirable to be dreamer and to issue that desired for the real. Any event has a reason. In the disintegration of empire also must be the reason. Simple sitting and waiting, when these occur is foolish. For this it is necessary to exert efforts. The Russian Empire - artificial formation, which is held on the bayonets and the blood; therefore is hope, that the efforts of the enemies of this bloody formation on its disintegration, sooner or later will lead to the success.
Furthermore a whole series of objective reasons (demographic crisis, the natural expansion of China to the north, the tyrannical nature of authority in the Kremlin, etc.), they can lead to the acceleration of the process of the disintegration of the remainders of this empire of evil.
Nations, occupied by Moscow, have right to the freedom. Russia retains in colonial dependence tens of peoples and countries; therefore it is completely logical, that the future states will be formed on the Etna - territorial boundaries. If we consider Islamic factor, and that that many colonial peoples are Muslims, then the creation of Islamic states is completely actual.
In the case of the disintegration of Moscow empire, on its fragments possibly also the formation of several new states with the prevailing russian factor, which can play positive role in the matter of the deliverance of russians from the imperial- chauvinistic syndrome.
Relations with the Ukraine of these future states objectively had to bear partner nature, since the Ukraine occupies important strategic position in the east Europe.
Furthermore, the Ukraine is not burdened by gravity of imperial syndrome and it is not mixed in the colonial crimes, in particular, against the Muslims. Therefore the participation of the Ukraine in the military actions abroad, for example, in Iraq, is strategically incorrect.
Did the government of CRI recognize inadvisable conducting operations on the mass seizure of hostages among the citizens? Why recently are not conducted such operations, but do occur only war shooting against the Russian occupiers and the national - traitors?
In the war with the aggressor we are guided by the position of the Shariah, which says: "fight with them just as they fight with you, but do not transgress". Both in Nord-Ost and in Beslane for Putin were created the conditions, in order to end genocide of Chechen people, to end war with the retention of its face. It could show that the human life for him and for russian leaders has a value. But it showed other that for the russian authority the life of people, (neither its nor strangers), means nothing. This is sick maniac.
The mujahideen killed people neither in Nord-Ost nor children in Beslane. They did not transgress. Putin killed them. This is the fact, which is acknowledged today by all.
In our military operations we will be guided by the principle of military-political expediency, and rest on the position of the Shariah.
On the basis of Shariah position - "fight with them so, as they fight with you, but do not transgress", we are ready to adhere to the principles of so-called "international law", if Russia observed these rules. This even is profitable for us. The citizen of enemy, which does not participate in the war and which does not support aggression, is not for us military aim.
Do realize Chechen young people the significance of the matter of its predecessors? Who they for it (i.e. the initiators of Jihad)"terrorists" and "bandits" or national heroes? How actively do act in Chechnya perverters of public consciousness - Russian "enlighteners"?
Specifically, young people today bear on their shoulders the burden of this war. Our leaders, who fell in the battles from the aggressors and who became Shahids (inshaAllah), are an example for them. Today those are oriented to our heroes, who leave to Jihad.
Russian occupiers and their myrmidons from the number of traitors (many of which hereditary traitors even from the times of first Caucasian war, and then Communist Russia) conduct persistent work among the young people, trying to avert young people from Jihad, from the resistance of aggression and occupation, to mount alien to Chechen mentality values and orders. The main assault objective of these "enlighteners" is Islam, since precisely religion is the basis of our national nature, mentality, our noble traditions and culture.
In order to pervert the essence of Chechens, to convert Chechen people into cattle, enemies pervert the essence of religion, pervert concepts and sense of words. Abomination and libertinism everywhere spreads. Treachery declares by good. Traitor is called "defender". The Putin dog Kadyrov they had represent by independent figure. This is done under the slogan "rescuings of Chechen nation", in that time as in reality occur the intensive russification of Chechens, the essence of Chechen mentality perverts. The same policy is conducted among other peoples of the North Caucasus.
We resist these insidious concepts of enemy and his agents.
Does believe today Chechen people over the long term to have his own state? Do bring up young people in the patriotic spirit? How you do evaluate situation with the possible "precedent Kosovo", and as this precedent, if it does take place, it can influence the situation around Chechnya?
We have our state. It was restored on 6 September, 1991, as a result of people revolution. Today our state is occupied by enemy, we wage war against the occupiers and are assured that sooner or later the enemy will be banished not only from our earth, but also from entire Caucasus.
As far as young people are concerned, as was said above, precisely, they today bears on its arms the burden of war. Our young people rear in Jihad, and this better training.
We are tracked situation all around Kosovo. It is obvious for all that the large international trading goes. There is not speech about what validity. Important states conduct their game, using the prevailing situation. The fate of the Kosovo Albanians no one interests except Albanians themselves. Dual standards are manifested never in this question as definitely.
Notorious contradiction between the principle of "territorial integrity" and "rights of peoples to the self-determination" is used by large powers depending on political interests. Today, for example, Russia recalled that South Osetia and Abkhazia have right to the self-determination, in that time as Chechen people Moscow (by authorization of the "international community") of this right deprived. Now Russia blackmails the West, that "recognizes" Abkhazia and South Osetia, if Kosovo obtains independence.
USA and Europe in turn supervises to the formal independence Kosovo with the retention of control over this country from the side of NATO and western countries. Time will show the final goal of this manipulation.
However, against the background of this trading by itself does assert itself a question - and that Chechen state? Answer for this question not Russia, not in the western countries does not have. It is more precise, they do not want to answer, because any answer will expose the policy of dual standards, which carries out the West, and Russia.
History of Kosovo, and is earlier history with eastern Timor, which was separated from Muslim Indonesia, being based on the right of peoples to the self-determination, it shows that in the world acts not the force of right, but right-wing force. This is real, but not wrote on the paper "international law".
The so-called "Kosovo precedent" will have an influence on the situation in the Caucasus only in the context of trading between the West and Russia, their ability (or incapacity) to agree between themselves.
Does act in the territory of CRI ROC (the Russian Orthodox Church)? How is wide its influence?
ROC is occupational structure and participates in the war against Chechen state and its people. This structure also conducts the policy of the aggression in other regions of the Caucasus, spreading occupational orders, raise Russian army to the war and blessing the mass murders of Muslims.
To all it is known that ROC is subdivision of FSB, and its churches are fixed-posts FSB and GRU in the Caucasus. Therefore our relation to ROC as to the hostile, aggressive organization, which leads against us war.
Leaders of ROC refers the same to Christianity as Kremlin mufti assigned to Islam.
In the autumn of 2005 at the session of Majlis of Caucasian Front in the city Cherkessk was accepted the solution to recognize ROC by the extremist organization, which goes in the advance guard of the colonial imperial policy of Russia and forbid its activity in the Caucasus to the end of war, and the curtailment ROC of its extremist activity.
Does Chechen people distinguish totalitarian, aggressive and sectarian "Russian Christianity" and humane freedom-loving Christianity as such, including Ukrainian? (i.e. possibly whether collaboration in the fight against the general imperialistic enemy of Moslems and Christians on the basis of mutually-respect?)
The Quran determines Christians as people of Holy Writ. Therefore Shariah prescribes in the interrelations with the people of Holy Writ to call to the monotheism and to act into the correspondence with the agreement.
As it was mentioned above, ROC, in its essence, is not Christian association. This is the foremost advance guard of Russian imperialism, aggression and violence. It refers no to religion, but it attends the interests of war criminals.
Ukraine also is under pressure and aggression from the side of Russia. Moscow did not leave its plans with respect to the return of control over Ukrainian people. Therefore Ukrainians, Chechens and other peoples of the Caucasus are objective allies in the fight against the neocolonial plans of the Kremlin.
Do you consider necessary the formation of united (general and for the Muslims, and for the Christians) anti-imperial front? If yes that, in what forms could begin collaboration?
We share anxiety and apprehension of those, who see, as some countries they come out with the neocolonial claims, unleashing newer and newer bloody wars throughout the world. Russia comes precisely in this direction, attempting to restore the lost control over the former Soviet colonies. Russia is dangerous and aggressive; it threatens all its neighbours and attempts to threaten other countries far beyond the border of its boundaries.
Our fight is already the fight of anti-imperial front on its front line. We will only greet, if this front is be enlarged and be strengthened. The forms of collaboration can be the most diverse - from the political to the servicemen.
How you did relate to the idea of the forum of all oppressed peoples of post-Soviet space for the development of the practical concept of joint anti-imperial fight?
We would greet this undertaking and would show any assistance and support.
Do use you experience of Ukrainian insurgent army? Indeed the conditions of fight are similar and enemy the same?
We resist the aggression of Russia narrower several hundred years. Certainly, in the first place, we is utilized the experience of the fight of our fathers. But each generation encounters new tasks and problems. Therefore the experience of other peoples and countries, including Ukrainian people, which resisted the aggression of Russia, is very important for us. In proportion to our forces and possibilities we try to obtain such knowledge. They help with our fight.
We thank you for the answers to our questions
Publication time: 8 March 2007, 16:27
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